About Bush...

Started by MsKatuha, September 26, 2006 06:11 PM

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MsKatuha

Hello.
What do you think about american president?

its interesting.
tell me please.

rtil

i think he's gotten himself into a mess he doesn't have enough time to get out of. he is an interesting figure, a president who has had the biggest difference in approval ratings than any other, from post-9/11 with near 90% and now dwindling at 40%.

kam

Quote from: rtili think he's gotten himself into a mess he doesn't have enough time to get out of. he is an interesting figure, a president who has had the biggest difference in approval ratings than any other, from post-9/11 with near 90% and now dwindling at 40%.

Heh, I like this answer. No mindless bashing or praising going on here.
"Why do angry guys always resort to throwing babies from windows?"

Irishman

I think what his presidency has done is demonstrate that the American society has no sense of proportion, nor patience, any more. So far in Iraq 2700+ US personell have died. The country was conquered in weeks. Honestly, that is blindingly fast and with very few casualties. In fact, the death rate in Iraq is lower than the murder rate in Washington D.C. (50 per 100,000 vs. 60 per 100,000). So more people die in our nation's capital per year than in Iraq, even though Iraq is a highly tumultuous place (to put it mildly). But apparently this is a "horribly mismanaged failure." It doesn't seem that way to me. Though, where the failure is now is the inability of the US to make notable progress. The straight military side was easy. But, the US was not prepared for the deep-seated passions that drive the conflicts there. Our mentality is different from their's, and so it is difficult for the US to approach the problem in the best way.

There were also unforeseen obstacles, such as a sizable portion of the Iraqi military giving up their uniforms but keeping their weapons (they started the insurgency). And it was underestimated the influence of Iran. I think that regardless of who was in charge we would be in the exact same situation in Iraq. And the US population would still think it's a miserable failure (mostly from watching TV news).

I think Bush got the short end of the stick very quickly in his administration. He came into office and two months later the stockmarket took a down turn (which was a result of the previous administration). He worked with the Democrats on the "No Child Left Behind" education program. He largely gave the Democrats what they wanted, and then they turn around and call the whole program a horrible failure (even though it was their idea). The most troubling thing of this presidency is the sharp increase in executive powers with a corresponding increase in opaqueness in government. The executive branch now has more power with less judicial oversight than ever before. The biggest problem with this is that that extra power won't go away for a very long time. Governmental power is ever expanding, never contracting. To change it, we would have to find a politician willing to limit his own power, and with the megalomaniacs we have in congress I doubt that will happen any time soon.

Albrtd3

Wow, excellent points made.

T-Bones

bush should get his butt off of the office and let a real man or women do it right
read this backwards:       ssabmud tihs siht daer dluow uoy ylno

T-Bones

bush never cares about the USA and its ppl
read this backwards:       ssabmud tihs siht daer dluow uoy ylno

Irishman

Quote from: T-Bonesbush never cares about the USA and its ppl
Perhaps you should state facts instead of make wild accusations that, once subjected to a miniscule amount of logic, utterly fail.

Scotsman

yes bush never cares about the USA and its ppl.  apparently he also hates black people.  extreme claims cannot stand by themselves.  make some points.  back them up with evidence or reasoning.  if you don't know how to debate then don't speak because all it does is make your opinion less important.

Irishman

Quote from: Scotsmanyes bush never cares about the USA and its ppl.  apparently he also hates black people.
Don't forget Hispanics, the elderly, children, and even kittens.

T-Bones

Quote from: IrishmanDon't forget Hispanics, the elderly, children, and even kittens.


bush is racesse lol
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T-Bones

Quote from: athingyes lets fill this page with random Bush thrashing because it's really cool to make points and not back them up



back up??? wat r u talkin bout i will kick ur butt spamer
u dont deserve being in the back alleys
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Irishman

Physical threats? Through the internet?  

He's refering to your earlier post where you made a claim, but provided no reasoning behind it.

T-Bones

Quote from: athinglisten to what Irishman has to say he's a smart guy


i agree sorry athing i was mad at some1
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Irishman

Well, as long as everything is clear we can move on. Does anyone have any particular issues they'd like to raise?

T-Bones

what is bush's veiw on the war does he think its a joke
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rtil

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Quote from: T-Boneswhat is bush's veiw on the war does he think its a joke
I think he takes it very seriously.
He's not going to apologize for anything, he's going to always make it sound like he's in control of the situation. I can only remember two instances in American history of a president admitting they made a mistake. And they had nothing to do with war.
Bush is very concerned about democracy in the Middle East. A lot Americans are not, but he is. If Americans want to blame anyone for bieng in this war, they should mostly blame themselves for all the blind fury they had after 9/11. If you were to ask anyone post-9/11 about a war almost anyone would have said go for it. It's not hard for anyone to recognize with a little research that the Middle East's past is a very bloody one, and they are resolute when it comes to their enemies. Anyone with the right knowledge should have known this war was going to last at least half a decade. The only time America has done something swift and easy was the Gulf War. We had one thing to do and we did it. It involved a simple maneuver and the mere presence of troops. What we're dealing with here is several nations and scores of religious sects. No president can deal with that in one swoop.

Irishman

Also, in the Gulf War we didn't have to set up a government and deal with the radically different world view of the Middle East. Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom (such a stupid name) both went through remarkably quickly, in terms of the military operations. This one is more drawn out because of the additional load of rebuilding the country in such a way that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

Irishman

The Gulf War was back in the beginning of 1991. Saddam Hussein had invaded neighboring Kuwait and refused to leave. So a NATO coalition (at the behest of other Middle East countries) went in and drove him out of Kuwait and then moved into Iraq. The NATO forces (led by the US) completely decimated the Iraqi forces. The Iraqis would surrender in droves. Once NATO was statisfied that Saddam had been dealt with, they pulled out. It was a rousing success for NATO forces; they suffered barely any casualties. I was only 4 and a half at the time, but I still remember being annoyed that my cartoons would be interrupted by the news.

Albrtd3

Isn't NATO a ammunition manufacturer? I believe m16's use NATO 7.62 Caliber ammunition.