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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2016 04:35 PM »
i just checked out that link in the OP. i mean, there are women in the actual anime industry, but they don't seem to give a single fuck when westerners cry foul about animated sexploitation.
That's the silver lining. My biggest concern is that we might see similar attitudes toward censorship we've been seeing in games localization. Not a huge deal for me as I import most of my discs, but I still like supporting western distributors as they're mostly responsible for courting new fans.

I honestly see how needless fanservice might make someone of an outside demographic uncomfortable, but I also find the "sexy vs. sexualized" dichotomy to be oversimplified and pretty disingenuous. There's an element of objectification in every human interaction, especially romantic and sexual ones. Convenient how the two largely exist along eastern vs. western mainstream ideals. There are also plenty of characters who transcend the division (Tsumiki Mikan being a good example).

I was originally resistant to the idea that men are by and large "visually" (I'd expand it to sensually) programmed for mate selection and and reproduction and women are "emotionally" wired for the same thing, thinking that was due to differences in advertising/social imprinting, but the free market doesn't lie.

If our agenda was actual egalitarianism, the liberation of one sex's sexuality wouldn't necessitate the repression and demonization of the other, and we'd realize both are composed equally of creative and destructive drives. Yeah, like that'll ever happen!

These goddamn Puritans I swear.

i think the japanese government is actually a much larger threat to anime than anything else, especially with the olympics looming.
How do you figure?

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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2016 06:07 PM »
I was originally resistant to the idea that men are by and large "visually" (I'd expand it to sensually) programmed for mate selection and and reproduction and women are "emotionally" wired for the same thing, thinking that was due to differences in advertising/social imprinting, but the free market doesn't lie.

If our agenda was actual egalitarianism, the liberation of one sex's sexuality wouldn't necessitate the repression and demonization of the other, and we'd realize both are composed equally of creative and destructive drives. Yeah, like that'll ever happen!

These goddamn Puritans I swear.

Your link - published both on this and on a Christians of Canada (I assume the author reaps both benefits) site, Puritanical and mindbogglingly dull as it stands. Here - to compensate for your 'free market' tagline and it's published a month and day, a year before. Does that make sense? As I have skimmed over the top of yours, skim read this one as well if you would do so please.

As you have stated, if there was a way to change the government's position on remedial adolescent-to-adult education, I'd start soon.

Great points. I'm not saying you're wrong. It's amusing to me that you - what? Import most on your discs - like, backlogs on external hard drive discs? You said you don't consume as much.

If it's to study and help western distributions - great. I would appreciate that, personally.

i think the japanese government is actually a much larger threat to anime than anything else, especially with the olympics looming.
How do you figure?

How I interpret this is that I wouldn't want a John Cena reincarnate where there are homemade posters on arena stands of anime drawings and such televised.

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2016 11:36 PM »
i think the japanese government is actually a much larger threat to anime than anything else, especially with the olympics looming.
How do you figure?
a friend of mine who is native japanese and tables at comiket says that many of his fellow artists in doujin circles are concerned about the japanese government being overly zealous about their international image. summer comiket overlaps with the 2020 olympics, and it's already damaging enough that comiket's venue (tokyo big sight) is being overrun by the olympics - but to make matters  worse, the japanese government is considering harsher censorship laws to try and suppress adult doujin being seen by foreigners.
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2016 12:26 AM »
Well gee why don't they just take Comiket and push it somewhere else.

That would seriously suck if Japan suddenly saw a bunch of obscenity cases, but hey that's Globalism for ya. Chalk one up for Feminism.

Does that make sense?
Not really. I wasn't talking about porn you can watch. I meant the literary variety. Probably should have quoted this part of the article:

Quote from: Christians of Canada
But according to Laurie Kahn, producer of the documentary film Love Between the Covers: “More than 70 million people in the USA alone read at least one romance novel per year, and most of them read many more.”

The US Census for 2015 shows there are 100 million women between 18 and 64 years old living in the United States. If Kahn’s number is correct, and assuming that the majority of those “70 million people” are women, then up to 70 percent of American women are covertly consuming literary pornography.
Of course it's conjecture because Boomers wouldn't self-report about this kind of thing, but it's hard to argue there's not a massive undersampling in regards to erotica. I wasn't making a philosophical argument about the positive or negative value of porn consumption, but a rhetorical one about the different ways men and women (generally) consume it. Probably the only reasons there isn't an analogous movement to lower the average male character's net income in romance novels are a) because men don't read (romance novels), and b) complaining about it would further lower (male) complainer's SMV (as being a dumb MRA betaboy is wont to do).

Also wasn't talking about the government but the (collective) western Feminist movement and how they are sex-positive with regards to (lol) "non-destructive" female sexuality and male androphilia but very negative in regards to traditionally "male" "destructive" gynephilic sexuality.

Basically my point is that third-wave feminism tends to conflate both sex's sexuality in relation to how we experience them (watering everything down to Twitter-friendly language), but at the same time evaluate them very differently depending on who is the subject/object of attraction (masculinity being toxic, women being damsels in distress). What I'm arguing is that male and female sexuality are, broadly speaking, very different, but are each of neutral value.

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2016 12:39 AM »
they are moving comiket to a smaller venue for 2020. i'm sure it will be hell on earth, as if it wasn't already

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2016 01:26 AM »
I meant like out of the capital. To Yokohama or something.

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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2016 01:43 AM »
well it is for 2020, but tokyo big sight is the only place big enough to even contain comiket, and even then it's already overcrowded. attendance is over half a million

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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2016 06:34 AM »
Well they're building an Olympic stadium in Tokyo for the big dumb Globalist fuckery I'm sure the Japanese government could afford to build a pop-up venue outside the city somewhere. I guess that itself might also draw national attention though.

Fucking have the Olympics in Zika-ridden Brazil where the government is as about as clean as the water and everyone has to just accept "it's the kooky second world lol" but suddenly artistic representations of people under U.S. and European age of consent laws and there's fear the entire hemisphere will go bananas.

Go figure.

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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2016 03:20 PM »
this is why i hate the olympics. i feel bad for the japanese people