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« on: July 23, 2018 04:35 PM »
I know right? A Mari Okada production, bad?

So emotionally manipulative it felt like an entire abusive relationship condensed to 2 hours. Worse than Koe no Katachi in that respect (and all others).

As bad as Mary to Majo no Hana.

Don't pay your money to see this filth.

Stay home and watch Asobi Asobase instead.

This means you rtil because I know there's no one else here.

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018 11:08 PM »
We are all still here...its just the anime, that's all.


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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2018 06:19 AM »
too late, seeing it tonight at 7. i already know all the crying and melodrama will annoy me, but it's close by and i haven't been to the theater in a while.

fwiw i'm seeing good movies next month to make up for it like knockin on heaven's door, night is short walk on girl and sailor moon superS.

also asobi asobase is fetish fuel disguised as slice of life humor. i stopped watching it after that piss skit. do NOT sign me the fuck up 🙅‍♀️
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2018 07:32 PM »
thats a long name

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2018 09:50 PM »
yes it was just shortened/changed to "When the promised flower blooms" or just "Maquia" in the west, which is still long-winded, but not quite as intense as the original.

so i saw it tonight in a pretty packed theater and i have to say it's nowhere near as bad as mary and the witch's flower. at least there is something happening in this movie which is more than i can say about studio ponoc's first outing. in fact there's too many things going on - so much so that i think this movie would have been better as an animated series. there's so many loose strings and coincidences happening in the first half of the movie it's almost hard to keep up. basically everything just felt rushed.

despite the mess of a first half, the movie actually ends pretty strongly. there's a lot of interesting ideas at play in the movie's world that sort of find cohesiveness and meaning in the final act. it is a bit too heavy-handed with the montage and the swelling of music, like we get it, she raised the kid and he grew up, we saw it. i also find the current trend of anime having these extremely strong themes of the significance of motherhood amusing.. i don't know if i'm noticing it more just because i'm getting older and they've always been prevalent in japan, or if it's more of a trend due to obvious cultural factors in japanese societies.

anyway.. overall it was decent. idk if i agree with it being emotionally manipulative spare for a few minutes in the end. it's awkward at times and stumbles around trying to do worldbuilding and passing large amounts of time in just under 2 hours. but at least it landed on its feet, and that's more than i can say about mary or koe no katachi.

still if we're going to make comparisons i am getting pretty tired of the meek and helpless female lead which koe no katachi is painfully guilty of to a fault. at least Maquia -despite breaking her promise - does become the mother she wanted to be, and her efforts are reciprocated in just a single word. you have to at least give them a little credit for that.

i'm gonna give it a 6/10 and i might be being generous, but i just found myself enjoying it more than something i'd find simply average despite its obvious flaws.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2018 02:16 AM »
I feel you. Perhaps I was just looking for my low expectations to be unmet because I really don't like Mari Okada. Might've been a bit too lenient on Koe no Katatchi as well, but I didn't care much for that either (5/10 abouts imo, should probably rewatch both).

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also asobi asobase is fetish fuel disguised as slice of life humor. i stopped watching it after that piss skit. do NOT sign me the fuck up 🙅‍♀️
Aww man. To risk "explaining the joke" like some kind of pedant, the running gag in that show is that everything is always worse than the characters expect, concurrent to the viewers expectation of "comfy" slice of life being subverted by hideously off-model renderings. I don't think the show is celebrating watersports or fat fetishism or what have you, just using them as ammo for schadenfreude. Would say give it another shot but you tapped out the exact moment my heart was won 🤷 (I don't even like pizz).

Did anyone see Uchiage Hanabi, Shita kara Miru ka? Yoko kara Miru ka? aka Fireworks?

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2018 02:41 AM »
koe no katachi was not very good imo. the moefication of a girl whose only personality trait is that she is deaf bothered me, and the supporting cast outside of nagatsuka was utterly trivial. there was all this fluff added to the one shot that added absolutely nothing to the story.

i don't have any strong feelings towards okada herself, but i didn't like anohana. i was actually surprised there wasn't more crying in maquia. the excessive bawling in anohana really annoyed me, and i felt there was a lot of unnecessary drama and extremely awkward dialogue. hell that was even the case in koe no katachi. every single conflict was based on easily resolved misunderstandings.

i "get" the joke in asobi asobase but i don't particularly find it funny. the humor is uncomfortable in the way that i would be embarrassed if anyone saw me watching it. the art is cute, though.

isn't the fireworks movie where they re-live the same day over and over again until something changes? i didn't hear many good things about it. in fact i didn't hear anything good about it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2018 06:05 PM »
Yeah looking back I might dislike Koe no Katachi as much as Maquia. In that movie's defense it was at least consistently sappy. The worst thing about it imo was the girl's voice. Had to choke back laughter every time she spoke. Should have just gotten Hatsune Miku to do the lines. The one-shot it was based on had heart to spare but the movie felt a bit cynical and underhanded.

If Okada was ever involved in something better than mediocre, I think it was in spite of her. The last few episodes of Anohana are a great example of bathos in my opinion. If drama in anime fails, it's usually because the writers or directors don't realize they're already working in the most emotive medium. All they have to do is deliver content. I think the ending of Anohana is so insulting and patronizing because it assumes the audience doesn't know how to cry unless given cues. It would be like at the end of Hotaru no Haka if all the characters gathered around Seita and started crying and apologizing for making his life miserable. It's just plain dishonest storytelling, and antithetical to the actual message. Menma didn't even need to be a ghost, the show was plenty compelling with her as a figment, because I think then it was at least exploring the decay of social cohesion after the loss of a precious person, much akin to how Twin Peaks went slightly to shit after the death of Laura Palmer.

Asobi Asobase is definitely embarrassing but all post-ironic humor is at least a little bit imo. I don't think it's especially more embarrassing than say Golden Boy or Seitokai Yakuindomo. You must admit there are at least more surprises in the first episode than the entirety of Beans in the Franxx.

Fireworks did pretty much everything wrong but still had its heart in the right place imo. I felt a feeling, which is more than I can say for either of the more widely lauded films we've been blasting ITT. Worth a torrent maybe.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2018 06:48 AM »
well franxx is derivative as shit so that's not saying much but yes that much is true. seitokai yakuindomo is dude lmao sex the anime, it gets old fast. golden boy is great with the right people, it's a great "party" anime as well imo. plus, visually, it's held up as a high budget cel-era ova. maybe i misjudged asobi asobase, obviously it's still airing and it could have staying power. if that is the case, i'm open to second chances.

i agree with all the criticisms of how okada directs. maquia does have this problem in the form of holding the audiences hand where it isn't necessary via flashbacks and montages - especially at the end, which i believe if removed would improve the finale substantially despite it being my favorite part of the film. it's a double-edged sword because maquia is thematically dense and moves at a million miles an hour, but i don't think the flashbacks were ever used appropriately to alleviate any problems with this. they were more like reminders of obvious callbacks that you'd only had forgotten about if you literally weren't paying attention.
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