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Title: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Bamyasi on August 18, 2014 11:11 PM
Breaking news: it's really terrible but I'm curious to hear your opinion, especially in light of recent events.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: rtil on August 18, 2014 11:31 PM
recent events.

what did i miss?
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: SrsSam77 on August 18, 2014 11:35 PM
recent events.

what did i miss?
>not knowing about five guys
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: rtil on August 19, 2014 12:31 AM
recent events.

what did i miss?
>not knowing about five guys

i'm guessing we're not talking about the burger joint

i don't pay attention to gaming "journalism"
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: SrsSam77 on August 19, 2014 12:38 AM
There don't seem to be any good articles up but if you lurk on /v/ or /pol/ a good thread will come up.
What happened is some SJW released a game called "depression quest":http://store.steampowered.com/app/270170/ (was 5 dollars but has mysteriously changed to free since I checked on it yesterday)
The SJW wants good reviews for the game, so she fucks 5 editors/reviewers at kotaku, and now shit is hitting the fan on /v/

also please leave a user tag for the game saying "5 guys" or "burgers" to spread awareness of the incident
:EDIT:
the reviews on the steam page should tell you all you need to know
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Bamyasi on August 19, 2014 12:49 AM
Here's annoying 24 minute video all about it:

Quinnspiracy Theory: The Five Guys Saga (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M#ws)

I didn't watch the whole thing but it seems like the most comprehensive report so far, since major outlets aren't covering it for mysterious reasons. It's funny because everyone already knew game journalists/staff writers at Kotaku were prostitutes, just not literal prostitutes.

Also this thing with Xseed happened. (http://hatsuu.tumblr.com/post/95050802376/re-akibas-trip-undead-undressed) That's less to do with journalism and more just SJW's being SJW's, but the two overlap conspicuously. I care more about this because like ohmygah my precious weeb games. Xseed has consistently released more faithful translations than say NISA, Idea Factory or Carpe Fulger and I hope they don't stop now.

i don't pay attention to gaming "journalism"
You and me both. Since andriasang closed down I only occasionally browse Siliconera and a few others. I refuse to give the major ones revenue.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: redmongoose on August 19, 2014 03:57 AM
this game is boring
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: rtil on August 19, 2014 04:39 AM
There don't seem to be any good articles up but if you lurk on /v/ or /pol/ a good thread will come up.
What happened is some SJW released a game called "depression quest":http://store.steampowered.com/app/270170/ (was 5 dollars but has mysteriously changed to free since I checked on it yesterday)
The SJW wants good reviews for the game, so she fucks 5 editors/reviewers at kotaku, and now shit is hitting the fan on /v/

also please leave a user tag for the game saying "5 guys" or "burgers" to spread awareness of the incident
:EDIT:
the reviews on the steam page should tell you all you need to know
they do, and so do the screenshots

i wouldn't even go to /pol/ just to check for a specific thread but i did see quite a few on /v/, there's not really a whole lot to talk about regarding the issue though so i'm pretty sure all talking points are spent


Here's annoying 24 minute video all about it:

Quinnspiracy Theory: The Five Guys Saga (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M#ws)

I didn't watch the whole thing but it seems like the most comprehensive report so far, since major outlets aren't covering it for mysterious reasons. It's funny because everyone already knew game journalists/staff writers at Kotaku were prostitutes, just not literal prostitutes.
i watched the whole thing. the guy gets a bit dramatic about it later on the video, talking about how somehow this girl has ruined gaming for everyone like this is the end of an epoch or something. give me a fucking break. it's a bit ironic because he's blowing the issue out of proportion like many of the gaming gossip sites he criticizes.

also he talks about how the game shouldn't be on steam because it's bad, as if steam ever gave a shit about quality products being put onto its marketplace. there are truckloads of garbage games on steam, and many of them try to get a lot more out of you than $5.

i don't think anyone will be talking about this in 2 weeks and in a few months it will be entirely forgotten. Kotaku was shit before this and it will continue to be shit. the more people who stop giving them traffic the better, but clickbait works and there are plenty of people who just don't give a shit.

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Also this thing with Xseed happened. (http://hatsuu.tumblr.com/post/95050802376/re-akibas-trip-undead-undressed) That's less to do with journalism and more just SJW's being SJW's, but the two overlap conspicuously. I care more about this because like ohmygah my precious weeb games. Xseed has consistently released more faithful translations than say NISA, Idea Factory or Carpe Fulger and I hope they don't stop now.

another classic case of 'your rights end where my feelings begin' pc bullshit. this is why twitter is a double edged sword as a social platform.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Gilthwixt on August 19, 2014 06:48 AM
Unfortunate Confession: I read kotaku sometimes, it's a bad habit from like '07 that I never really kicked. The funny thing is, I had to look up who Nathan Grayson was because I didn't recognize his name, and it's because all his articles are trash and I've somehow managed skipping all of them just by subject matter alone. The irony is that this sort of drama is exactly the kind of clickbait shit that Kotaku likes to cover, so it's going to be real amusing to see whether they refuse to acknowledge it or cannibalize Grayson over this. I'm going to guess that they sack him, because it's not like he was contributing much anyway, unless someone higher up at Kotaku is one of the two unnamed other Five Guys. Did the ex-boyfriend ever name the other two? They've been [redacted] by the time he posted the TL;DR.

I think sleeping with Arnott and especially Boggs is more fucked up, but of course everyone's going to focus on the Kotaku editor because it's a recognizable blog. rtil's right though, this is the kind of shit that everyone will be up in arms about for a couple weeks then forget about.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: soup on August 19, 2014 07:08 AM
what a confusing and sordid affair that makes me care even less about "gaming journalism" than i did before
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Gilthwixt on August 19, 2014 09:07 AM
Maybe I spoke too soon

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2dz0gs/totalbiscuit_discusses_the_state_of_games/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2dz0gs/totalbiscuit_discusses_the_state_of_games/)

http://i.imgur.com/0ZAaahT.png (http://i.imgur.com/0ZAaahT.png)

http://i.imgur.com/3birLjK.png (http://i.imgur.com/3birLjK.png)

http://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2dzjq2/apparent_rpcgaming_moderator_infighting_leads_to/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2dzjq2/apparent_rpcgaming_moderator_infighting_leads_to/)

Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: SrsSam77 on August 19, 2014 03:30 PM
(http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/3388/873u0Q_egpos.png)
shitgo raptor supports the deception, why don't you?
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: crackers on August 19, 2014 03:55 PM
why are people actually talking about this, its just like being back at school when 'aw such and such was shagging such and such behind the breadbin', fuck up daft cunts
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: SrsSam77 on August 19, 2014 04:32 PM
why are people actually talking about this, its just like being back at school when 'aw such and such was shagging such and such behind the breadbin', fuck up daft cunts
It's much more than that, it's common people finally being able to stand up to shitty journalism and point out the corruption eating away at the industry and from there the shitty journalists and political agendas in a hope to oust them.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Bamyasi on August 19, 2014 05:22 PM
this game is boring
(http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1530/084Yj7_Cirno_motherfucking_game.jpg)

i watched the whole thing. the guy gets a bit dramatic about it later on the video, talking about how somehow this girl has ruined gaming for everyone like this is the end of an epoch or something. give me a fucking break. it's a bit ironic because he's blowing the issue out of proportion like many of the gaming gossip sites he criticizes.

also he talks about how the game shouldn't be on steam because it's bad, as if steam ever gave a shit about quality products being put onto its marketplace. there are truckloads of garbage games on steam, and many of them try to get a lot more out of you than $5.

i don't think anyone will be talking about this in 2 weeks and in a few months it will be entirely forgotten. Kotaku was shit before this and it will continue to be shit. the more people who stop giving them traffic the better, but clickbait works and there are plenty of people who just don't give a shit.
Yeah I mean it's important to remember that dramaqueens like InternetAristocrat, Thunderfoot, etc. profit off this stuff too in a way, even if they don't monetize. It's definitely tabloid-tier gossip that will dissipate quickly, but regardless of whether it's true or not (which is inconsequential), it has given people an excuse to talk about problems with the industry, even if they're not the real problems (which they aren't), or the same problems they've been talking about for years. Hopefully an overblown non-event like this will inspire an attitude of reflection once the theatrics die down (one can only dream), which is why I made this thread, not to talk about some silly love hexagon (which really isn't anyone's business anyway), but because you guys are much more level-headed and laid-back than most netizens I know. I need you guys for that.

It also gives us an excuse to talk about problems with the independent business model but I would defer any opinions on that to people who've actually worked in the industry.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: zwimmy on August 19, 2014 07:01 PM
>video games
>2014
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: rtil on August 19, 2014 07:08 PM
Yeah I mean it's important to remember that dramaqueens like InternetAristocrat, Thunderfoot, etc. profit off this stuff too in a way, even if they don't monetize. It's definitely tabloid-tier gossip that will dissipate quickly, but regardless of whether it's true or not (which is inconsequential), it has given people an excuse to talk about problems with the industry, even if they're not the real problems (which they aren't), or the same problems they've been talking about for years. Hopefully an overblown non-event like this will inspire an attitude of reflection once the theatrics die down (one can only dream), which is why I made this thread, not to talk about some silly love hexagon (which really isn't anyone's business anyway), but because you guys are much more level-headed and laid-back than most netizens I know. I need you guys for that.

It also gives us an excuse to talk about problems with the independent business model but I would defer any opinions on that to people who've actually worked in the industry.

thunderfoot's obsession with anita sarkeesian is a little creepy. and he does make money off of those videos.

this whole five guys thing is part of a larger problem, but it's a problem that will probably always exist in some capacity. because there's always going to be people who want to play the victim, and don't actually care about a cause. i know plenty of women in the industry who make good stuff and don't feel obligated to participate in this garbage.

Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Bamyasi on August 19, 2014 07:35 PM
Oh yeah I agree but I meant problems with the industry in general, not just the "feminist" influence.

It just seems like that dialogue has reached its little boiling point so now we can all kick back and talk about other things, like what we want from the medium.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Binary_2 on August 19, 2014 07:43 PM
I want a rating based on how fun a game is compared to deus ex: HR.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: zwimmy on August 19, 2014 08:30 PM
Ferguson Missouri has become the new Tiananmen Square, islamofascists are taking over Iraq and Syria, and the ebola outbreak shows no sign of stopping and you faggots are talking about this shit
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: zwimmy on August 19, 2014 08:34 PM
and here i am trying to draw fucking cartoons lol

I can't fucking deal with this world anymore how the fuck do any of you fucking people live your lives, I don't fucking understand anything anymore
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: zwimmy on August 19, 2014 08:35 PM
this whole fucking world is a gigantic sick joke
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: zwimmy on August 19, 2014 08:37 PM
if I had a gun I would have killed myself 1000 times ago
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: zwimmy on August 19, 2014 08:40 PM
there's no way to win in life there's just different ways of losing
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Bamyasi on August 19, 2014 09:05 PM
Hey zwimmy, if you need someone to talk to please PM me.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: rtil on August 19, 2014 09:25 PM
Ferguson Missouri has become the new Tiananmen Square, islamofascists are taking over Iraq and Syria, and the ebola outbreak shows no sign of stopping and you faggots are talking about this shit

so fucking what? those situations are entirely out of our control, why pretend we can do something about it like the slacktivists on twitter and tumblr? i don't see you demonstrating in ferguson, joining the army or volunteering to fly to nigeria to treat ebola patients. there's horrible shit going on around the world every day but you continue to live your life for yourself just like everyone else because you don't have any power to stop it. it fucking sucks but there's not much you can do about it, and that's reality.

if I had a gun I would have killed myself 1000 times ago
what good would that do? why even talk like that?
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: cipher on August 19, 2014 10:53 PM
zwimmy what have I been fucking telling you for the past two weeks.

fuck.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: rtil on August 20, 2014 07:09 AM
so fucking what? those situations are entirely out of our control, why pretend we can do something about it like the slacktivists on twitter and tumblr? i don't see you demonstrating in ferguson, joining the army or volunteering to fly to nigeria to treat ebola patients. there's horrible shit going on around the world every day but you continue to live your life for yourself just like everyone else because you don't have any power to stop it. it fucking sucks but there's not much you can do about it, and that's reality.

That sure is a nice liberal mentality you got there. Maybe if you spent more time actually speaking up about all the bad shit that plagues the world instead of bitching about "SJW's" on the internet, then maybe, just fucking maybe, we would actually be closer to making some fucking progress by now. What, does police brutality not have enough "wacky pronouns" for you to make fun of or what? Of all the things you could be doing, you people would rather complain about video games? "So fucking what" my ass, why not make yourself useful for once and actually go out of your way to help someone or spread awareness? At least you have the power to do that.  It's people like you that make everyone else want to keep quiet about both their problems and the problems of society, and that's just fucking pathetic. At the very least help you could've done a better job of helping our friend here or you could've listened to what she had to say, but you chose not to.

I'm tired of just letting this shit you people say in the continuous circle jerk we call TBA slip by without fucking consequence. You know what, I'm fucking sick of it too.

i have no preference about what we do or don't complain about here on TBA, but there's a topic about video game journalism so we are (or were) discussing it. but saying "how can you people be talking about X when Y is going on in the world?", when Y has nothing to do with X, is a red herring.

so yeah, so fucking what. you want to talk about this kind of stuff, do it in a constructive way. make a topic about it instead of interrupting a completely different conversation, assuming we don't care about something because we aren't talking about it in a topic that has nothing to do with it.

you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about some things i've said or posted in the past, since you think i spend time "bitching about SJW's on the internet". true, i've posted some screenshots of some silly blogs, and the topic comes up from time to time, but it's not something i think about. i just happen to be a big fan of poe's law (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law) as someone who's made a lot of satirical cartoons, and i like to laugh. and there's a lot of things to laugh about on the internet, "SJW" or not. so forgive me for wasting some time on the internet entertaining myself. i suppose you don't waste any time on the internet looking at things you find humorous? as a fan of retsuparae, you must realize that in the world of parody and satire, someone's always the punching bag.. so then, is it only ok for certain people to be the targets of this kind of humor? if so, how do we make that judgement call? btw, i'm not saying all satire is funny or appropriate, but in the world of comedy it's kind of impossible to do this objectively.

of all the things i could be doing, would i rather complain about video games than police brutality, ISIS or ferguson? i would rather be painting, to be honest. but if someone wants to complain about it on an open forum, and i feel compelled to say something, i will. one thing i wouldn't want to do, though, is fault someone for wanting to talk to me about something they are interested in, no matter how trivial it is, or accuse them of not wanting to talk about something i felt was more important. how would you feel if i judged you for playing video games, reblogging art on tumblr and goofing around in level editors instead of going out and volunteering at a women's shelter or a soup kitchen or something? don't you see how absurd this argument is? nothing gets accomplished by treating people like that.

so i am useless for being an artist who does not push my political agenda on my followers to raise awareness for things? fair enough i guess. i suppose you could even call me selfish, because i make art for myself first. it's just something i decided a few years ago after doing a couple politically-angled pieces. i didn't feel comfortable doing it. i wanted to make art that made people happy and take them to another world away from ours. politically fueled art is just not my thing. there are other people out there who are doing that kind of work and they are great people. why do i have to be like the rest of them? why do i have to step on to the minefield that is the stage of opinion? i've done enough arguing on the internet to know that i'm not going to change anyone's minds, and i'd rather not have the people that  follow me and don't know who i am attach my personal beliefs to my work. if you want to judge me for that, then fine.

i just don't buy the "well you could be doing something!" line, like our only lot in life is to play telephone. and i highly doubt by me not saying anything i am convincing other people to be quiet about their problems and problems in their society. i'd have to actually say something to make that happen. i'm genuinely glad that awareness is spreading about the police state of ferguson, the war in syria and the outcry for a cure to ebola during this epidemic in west africa. i'm also aware enough to know that these problems are much, much larger than me, and i am powerless to affect whatever their outcome is. if i have a way to directly help some kind of crisis, no matter the size, i would do it (this usually involves money, of which i have given to numerous causes). but if it's just passing along another reblog or hashtag out of the millions that are already there, i'm not actually helping anyone except me and my image. i really despise the self-centered nature of social media, and i think a lot of these awareness "campaigns" just become excuses to make people look like saints for "supporting" a cause by just saying something about it while slapping their face or name on it. and indeed, many charities and movements have become corrupted by these kinds of things.

maybe i'm jaded, i don't know. but can you really blame me for wanting to keep my art (which is literally mylife) separate from this politically correct warzone of internet justice? that was never my calling, and i'm not going to change myself to please others. i find it a little odd how quickly you resort to vitriol when these kinds of topics come up, as if i could be your enemy on the flip of a coin if i show even the slightest sign of apathy. i guess that's what's always bothered me the most about the way communities like tumblr approach causes - they immediately assume anyone unfamiliar with their opinion should be talked down to, like it's their fault. and i'm not even unfamiliar with what you're speaking about, i just don't think it was handled very gracefully.

as far as whatever else is going on with zwimmy, the vague threats upset me and, like i said, i can't believe she would say something like that and just leave. i wish that whatever is going on in her life that this is not how she would deal with it. she should know that if any of us ever wanted to talk that we have always been there for her, but instead decides to leave a bunch of upsetting posts, change her status to "i am dead" and then disappear without ever giving us an opportunity to genuinely reach out to her. i don't understand it. i would say the same as @Bamyasi (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1530) - that if she needs to talk to someone i'm right here. but she knows that and chose to do this instead.

it may come off as harsh but it really upsets me so much to see this kind of behavior. one of my best friends shot himself in the fucking head only days after i saw him for the last time and didn't reach out to me. i couldn't believe it, that they would leave the world like that without giving someone a chance to convince them otherwise. and that's exactly what this reminds me of. i don't know what else to say besides this. so zwimmy, if you're reading this, i'm sorry, please don't run off like this and don't make the mistake of trying to deal with this alone.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: ZekeySpaceyLizard on August 20, 2014 07:38 AM
I've never seen someone get so bent out of shape over someone speaking the truth before.
Good work, Sheepy.
You are literally the worst person here.
You are dumb as fuck.
You are a complete and utter idiot in every possible, conceivable definition of the word.
Like holy shit.
What an absolutely sad little attention whore you are.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: crackers on August 20, 2014 08:27 AM
you faggots

pot, kettle, black
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: systech on August 20, 2014 09:51 AM
http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/i-threw-up/ (http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/i-threw-up/)
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: michaell on August 20, 2014 01:11 PM
so fucking what? those situations are entirely out of our control, why pretend we can do something about it like the slacktivists on twitter and tumblr? i don't see you demonstrating in ferguson, joining the army or volunteering to fly to nigeria to treat ebola patients. there's horrible shit going on around the world every day but you continue to live your life for yourself just like everyone else because you don't have any power to stop it. it fucking sucks but there's not much you can do about it, and that's reality.

That sure is a nice liberal mentality you got there. Maybe if you spent more time actually speaking up about all the bad shit that plagues the world instead of bitching about "SJW's" on the internet, then maybe, just fucking maybe, we would actually be closer to making some fucking progress by now. What, does police brutality not have enough "wacky pronouns" for you to make fun of or what? Of all the things you could be doing, you people would rather complain about video games? "So fucking what" my ass, why not make yourself useful for once and actually go out of your way to help someone or spread awareness? At least you have the power to do that.  It's people like you that make everyone else want to keep quiet about both their problems and the problems of society, and that's just fucking pathetic. At the very least help you could've done a better job of helping our friend here or you could've listened to what she had to say, but you chose not to.

I'm tired of just letting this shit you people say in the continuous circle jerk we call TBA slip by without fucking consequence. You know what, I'm fucking sick of it too.

your gay tumblr full of zoophilic/hentai shit surely attests to what youve just said
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: SrsSam77 on August 20, 2014 01:43 PM
your gay tumblr full of zoophilic/hentai shit surely attests to what youve just said

I don't care about the porn but I have seen some reblogged posts inciting hate against the 'cis' and that it is NOT okay to treat 'cis' or white(male) people as equals that do obfuscate her stance.
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: JasonDog on August 20, 2014 07:23 PM
this game is boring

It is not just a boring game.

The game was a cry
for help!
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: crackers on August 21, 2014 08:47 AM
It is not just a boring game.

The game was a cry
for help!


It is not just a Jasondog.

His post was a cry
for help!

Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: redmongoose on August 21, 2014 03:12 PM
its not delivery its digiorno
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: creamcorn on August 21, 2014 04:14 PM
for me gaming journalism starts and ends with looking up a metacritic score for a game
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: Sef on August 21, 2014 05:14 PM
for me gaming journalism starts and ends with looking up a metacritic score for a game

the easy method
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: rtil on August 21, 2014 06:33 PM
for me gaming journalism starts and ends with looking up a metacritic score for a game

the easy method

(http://i.imgur.com/oBr3qDU.png)
[shilling intensifies]
Title: Re: The state of contemporary game journalism
Post by: michaell on August 22, 2014 06:44 AM
for me gaming journalism starts and ends with looking up a metacritic score for a game

the easy method

(http://i.imgur.com/oBr3qDU.png)
[shilling intensifies]

looks like somebody was bribed