Foxy's swinging his junk about

[Sinitron]

this thread should have been aborted shortly after conception because omfg it is horrible

[VaneFox]

Oh the animation has only been conceptialized at this point and I actually have enough time to start it now. And I'm sure your art is great Haru. And thanks Sinitron! I love criticism, especially when that's all it is, I'll do something that you'll like some day maybe.

[Sinitron]

i sincerely doubt it

it's not because you really lack the technical expertise (though the tube-titties on that anime slut don't sit right with me)

it's just because you're so fucking uninspired and dull

AND you draw ponies

look at that soup guy, he's a good example

i like SOME of his things

he's not quite so limited in his expressions thus far

but despite my concerns that he might be doing a little too much surreal work, it shows that he can create without any prior notions of what something has to be

and that's something i like

[VaneFox]

Oh thank you for that. That's very fair. But it's not because I'm uninspired, but I do see the dull. Nearly every piece of work I do is simply study, specifically body proportion, it's been bothering me for months. Once I can do it without it taking too much thought then I can actually start drawing things that are on my mind. I usually end up abandoning pieces just because they end up looking so wrong, then I move to study of anatomy, most times. And I've moved from ponies, they were some pretty old pieces, but most of the pony crap was just because they're easier to draw than humans, and it allows me to get to colour sooner, so more practice. Thanks though.

[zwimmy]

whoa

sinitron wants to fuck

[bd648]

for all of sinitron's rude words he gives really solid criticism. the cruellest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't. so for that he is kinda good. although he also has some high standards.

[rtil]

if by 'high standards' you mean 'only likes a certain type of art and all other art is bad', then yes. it's a narrow-minded worldview, and it's dangerous to subscribe to. sure he can give good criticism sometimes but i wouldn't take all of it to heart. don't try and please people who tell you that your art is trash because it's not what they like. you can't please everyone, and you shouldn't try to. if you are not making art for yourself, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. you should draw what makes you happy. yes, it's important to learn from others and take criticism. but at the end of the day your art is your identity - there's no reason to be ashamed of it because it pisses some random person off. in fact, i always found reactions of anger quite flattering because i managed to elicit an emotion from them with my art. that's a powerful tool to have at your disposal.

anyways, i'm getting off topic. i'm sure you (vanefox) know that you have a lot to improve on. but you have some basic mechanics down. i usually don't give in-depth criticism unless it is asked for, because a lot of people are very sensitive and defensive about their work. even i can be sometimes, it's natural. this is why i sometimes just point out the good and don't critique. but the offer's on the table. i won't try to change you as an artist because you don't draw in a particular style. i would only help you refine your own.

[Kött]

if by 'high standards' you mean 'only likes a certain type of art and all other art is bad', then yes. it's a narrow-minded worldview, and it's dangerous to subscribe to. sure he can give good criticism sometimes but i wouldn't take all of it to heart. don't try and please people who tell you that your art is trash because it's not what they like. you can't please everyone, and you shouldn't try to.

I agree that you shouldn't get too worked up about it, but I'm fairly sure you won't take Sinitron too seriously anyway...

Nonetheless, it can never be wrong to take these occasions as an inspiration to try something different as it will definitely broaden your horizons. That doesn't only art, but a lot of other things as well. As soon as you completely disregard people with different tastes and justify your decision by declaring them narrow minded and by considering their criticism irrelevant in regards to your style, you will hardly develop and your works will lack diversity.

It might be true that every artist has his own style, but style is merely the product of different experiences and influences. Extending that area of experience and influence will only add to the quality of your works.

...that is, unless it is mlp r34 fanfappery... and that's today's bottom line, kids!
Now, Sinitron, go out there, draw some animu girls doing cute things and make us all proud!

[rtil]

i don't take sinitron seriously. i'm telling other people not to take him seriously either.

i don't disregard people who have different tastes than me. i enjoy a wide variety of art, and i can appreciate all kinds of art. why? because i know i have no right to say what is and isn't art. i'm not going to pretend i have superior tastes than anyone, or that my art is good. all i can do is try to learn something new every time i paint and animate something. and that is all that really matters.

the way you approach it with your attitude is important. if someone tells you "don't draw this, because i don't like it and it sucks", that's not a positive message for an artist to hear, even if the person saying it is being sarcastic.

i think it's an especially egregious mistake to criticize someone for drawing in an "anime" style, and calling it generic. as if all anime looks the same. it's about as valid and appropriate as someone saying all people of a certain race look the same. in the artistic realm of what fits the description of an anime style is as widely varied as art in the western world - and if that isn't apparent then you just aren't paying attention or are being willfully ignorant.

i'm not going to lie - i watch a lot of anime, and i prefer the anime style aesthetically over anything else. that's not to say i like everything just because it's anime, or that i don't like anything just because it isn't anime. regardless, my point is that even though i feel this way, i do not speak down to people for not drawing in a way that i would prefer, nor do i consider them misguided for doing so. so when i see people doing that, i can't take them seriously. there is no reason to disrespect people or treat them as inferior for drawing from their inspirations. we are all different in that respect and that's what gives everyone's art a unique personality.

[Kött]

Oye, I guess I was a lil ambiguous... but actually I was mainly talking to Vane. You know Sinitron well enough to do without my advice.
However, even if he is a bigoted cunt at times, the fact that he still manages to make people try something new is definitely nothing that deprives them of their skill and kind of fascinating in its own way.

I don't really think that the term anime style can be grasped as a concept as it is merely a simplification of an image of reality which may or may not emphasize certain features (in this particular case the eyes). And as you said... there are a shitload of different styles employed in anime.
Therefore, yes, it is not the most helpful way to criticize something for being too 'anime',  as it is simply too hard to define the set of anime features in a particular piece with this simple word. It does, however, inspire the artist to think about what might be the reason for this statement and can bear interesting results.

Ye, this is bullshit... declaring something 'too anime' is mainly being a dick... but he might have an interesting time trying to please Sinitron and develop a bit. Even though it's gonna be a fucking Sisyphean task for someone with his handicap (bronies etc)...

[soup]

wow suddenly this thread got like 20,000 leagues deep

vanefox go outside and draw trees and rocks and people you meet on the bus i swear it helps

[rtil]

yeah i didn't mean to derail it i just wanted to make a point. if people want to continue this discussion further make a new thread. otherwise from this point on i will delete posts that are off-topic (aka not about vanefox's art)

[Evelynn]

general post relating to vanefox's art

[bd648]

oh god what did i dooooo

but back to the art: do more art. i must seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it. i didn't mean to sound like i didn't like your art because i do.

[Sinitron]

reminder:

if people want to continue this discussion further make a new thread. otherwise from this point on i will delete posts that are off-topic

-rtil

[VaneFox]

Waaaaah! So much information at once! But thank you all for your input! Sinitron didn't offend me though, I'm actually pleased that he was so brutally and painfully honest. I mean yeah I've looked back and I become less and less proud of my previous pieces but hey, I'm pretty sure I improve with every piece I do and I'm gonna keep trying!

[VaneFox]

INSPIRATIONAL!

[zwimmy]

hot

[bd648]

hot

hot 
/hät/
Adjective

    Having a high degree of heat or a high temperature.
    Feeling or producing an uncomfortable sensation of heat.


sounds correct. very nice.