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Title: Hi there
Post by: TikoTron on September 10, 2016 12:29 AM
Ayy lmao,
umm...
interests i guess :drool:
Videogames: FPSs, shooters, stealth stuff
Genres: Post apocalyptic, thrillers, tactical, action, espionage
I only started watching anime again when AoT came out so I'm trying to keep up.

Q: How I found TBA?
A: Glanced at rtil's stuff(skullgirls) in 2012 on DeviantArt and then found his speedpaint channel early 2013 and binge watched it. From there on the following began.
Eventually paying enough attention on twitter to see he's still active and streams.

'Guess I'll post finished stuff here and WIP stuff in the discord

ps
this is my first time being on a forum, kinda nervous
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: soup on September 10, 2016 10:37 AM
i highly recommend selecting an easier (novice) starter forum before you make a commitment like this. this is a powerful forum to have in your portfolio, but it is not a good starter forum.  this forum is maybe a 6.5/7 out of 10 on the Berners-Lee scale. there are tutorials available to assist you with selecting your first forum. you can find these at https://www.youtube.com/user/expertvillage (https://www.youtube.com/user/expertvillage) thanks
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: SrsSam77 on September 10, 2016 12:08 PM
what doctor soup said is right, in addition to those points we are also actively fighting off a kizwho infestation and no one can even enter the forum proper until the bug-bomb wears off
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: BluPhoenix on September 10, 2016 01:38 PM
could soup/sam be the next michaell/gladius? find out tonight at 10 on tba news
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: soup on September 10, 2016 05:47 PM
im not racist enough
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: crackers on September 10, 2016 05:53 PM
notice how it is always soup that leads with the funny ... then sam follows behind... the small dog teetering behind its master.... roo roo ....
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: crackers on September 10, 2016 05:54 PM
except that the master does not want this dog ... it is but a jasondog ...
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: soup on September 10, 2016 06:36 PM
roos softly
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 10, 2016 08:15 PM
How can I judge you fairly if you don't rate stuff on MAL.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: kris on September 11, 2016 07:39 PM
Heya.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: TikoTron on September 11, 2016 09:23 PM
How can I judge you fairly if you don't rate stuff on MAL.

Well to be honest I made that MAL account a month ago and I focused on getting what I watched onto there and remembering every possible anime I watched. I'm still clearing out my bookmark folder for anime and adding it to my list. I rated a few things (0-10) under dropped but I didn't write reviews for anything.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 11, 2016 10:12 PM
Michiko to Hatchin gets a 4 that's cold.

Also here is a video from DigiLoser on how to properly use the dropped list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wUJ05wyGKc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wUJ05wyGKc)

Or how I'd use it if I bothered keeping mine updated.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 11, 2016 10:35 PM
can i get a tldw of that video jfc 10 minutes about how some weeb uses MAL? i hate these channels
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 12, 2016 12:16 AM
Basically drop anything that doesn't hook you/that you dislike after ≤1 episode and don't treat the drop list as some kind of Permanent Anime Hell where anime go to die. Fuck da police/three episode rule.

Might I also suggest this 75 goddamn minute follow up video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kQrT8S2Mrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kQrT8S2Mrw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cc0kAQmxd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cc0kAQmxd0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G30xZxJLR8U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G30xZxJLR8U)
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 12, 2016 05:04 AM
i'd rather form opinions on my own than from youtube personalities

i usually base the amt of episodes i'll watch of something before dropping it based on how long it is
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 12, 2016 06:51 AM
The goal was always forming opinions on one's own. Digimon just suggests disregarding a few qualitative indicators a lot of neophytes use, namely premise.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: TikoTron on September 12, 2016 07:01 AM
Basically drop anything that doesn't hook you/that you dislike after ≤1 episode and don't treat the drop list as some kind of Permanent Anime Hell where anime go to die. Fuck da police/three episode rule.

Might I also suggest this 75 goddamn minute follow up video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kQrT8S2Mrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kQrT8S2Mrw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cc0kAQmxd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cc0kAQmxd0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G30xZxJLR8U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G30xZxJLR8U)

I rewatched the trailer/pv for Michiko to Hatchin and I agree was a bit harsh on it (moved it to hold for now).
I usually use drops if I had a bad taste for some reason I can't remember. I went back and added 90% of my bookmark folder and rated stuff in completed.
That video was a good watch I had this on my watch later list but thanks for bringing it up.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: BluPhoenix on September 12, 2016 10:03 AM
admittedly on my mal the "dropped" category is more just "fuck this"

whereas "hold" is more for "kinda gave up, might try again"
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: TikoTron on September 12, 2016 10:26 AM
admittedly on my mal the "dropped" category is more just "fuck this"

whereas "hold" is more for "kinda gave up, might try again"
On point to how I feel about it.

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Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 12, 2016 05:58 PM
The goal was always forming opinions on one's own. Digimon just suggests disregarding a few qualitative indicators a lot of neophytes use, namely premise.

why does it take him 75 minutes to explain that? for a video about efficient anime watching the running time doesn't make a very convincing case.

i do think there are indicators of quality right from the beginning but animated series can evolve and episode length is an important factor. i don't have to watch a 75-minute video to know that he's wrong

and personal taste still comes into account, he even argues with someone in the comments section about whether the 1st episode of something is any good or not
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: soup on September 12, 2016 07:24 PM
yeh everything is subjective. what makes for a financial success can still be a disappointment to the majority of the population. vice versa im sure there are objectively "good" shows out there that bomb hard when its left to the public to decide the rating. i cant take this guy seriously considering he seems to be saying so little with so many words. a lot of what he says is common sense and not even worth mentioning / far too specific and not really applicable to anything except the scene/show he is reviewing

i think if he had instead presented typical techniques that regularly feature in an objectively "good" story instead of analyzing one very specific plot and and picking them out as they come up he wouldnt come across as grating / a weeb

maybe he does this later. i cant watch anymore.

im studying a lot of the science behind why people do and do not enjoy different forms of media. the subtle and not so subtle ways media is used to manipulate your emotions. otherwise i wouldnt get involved in this

tl;dr after 19 mins of his "advice" all i can hear is nasal white noise
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: soup on September 12, 2016 07:26 PM
ill probably watch the other 60 mins at a later date and update my review of his review
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 12, 2016 08:20 PM
He's really just advocating for more active anime consumption and keeping an open mind, that's all. Of course qualitative indicators will vary from person to person, but between only trying shows one thinks one might enjoy vs. lots of different shows regardless of genre or studio, I agree with Digi that the latter generally yields better results. As for his video length, the ones in which he's just staring into the camera I would never actually watch, they're more like podcasts. My tastes are often very much at odds with his and he's prone to hyperbole so everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt, but I'm still subscribed to him as he's one of the less insufferable prolific weaboo bloggers on youtube.

admittedly on my mal the "dropped" category is more just "fuck this"

whereas "hold" is more for "kinda gave up, might try again"
On point to how I feel about it.
The problem with this is that you're treating your dropped list as a Permanent Anime Hell where anime go to die. Your tastes may change, but you might be hesitant to retry something that is carved in stone as having left a negative impression on you when they were less refined. Just my two cents. Basically you're wrong.

Also now that you've rated stuff here's a handy video on how to properly rate stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KETsihEO5Zk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KETsihEO5Zk)
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: SrsSam77 on September 12, 2016 10:52 PM
>consuming anime
>at all
>not manga or books

I bet you people own figures and dakis too
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 12, 2016 11:40 PM
Also now that you've rated stuff here's a handy video on how to properly rate stuff:
this video should be called "No One Rates ERASED Right" goddamn this guy is triggered

MAL users hand out 10's like candy so he's not wrong but seriously why does anyone give a shit what this greasy weeb thinks? at the end of the day he's just another pretentious MAL user. what the fuck has this guy created besides lengthy diatribes about anime he hates?
>consuming anime
>at all
>not manga or books

I bet you people own figures and dakis too

anime is manga's final form :^)
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: BluPhoenix on September 13, 2016 08:16 AM
admittedly on my mal the "dropped" category is more just "fuck this"

whereas "hold" is more for "kinda gave up, might try again"
On point to how I feel about it.
The problem with this is that you're treating your dropped list as a Permanent Anime Hell where anime go to die. Your tastes may change, but you might be hesitant to retry something that is carved in stone as having left a negative impression on you when they were less refined. Just my two cents. Basically you're wrong.

see the problem with that is even if a show i didn't like was lumped in with other shows i merely lost interest in, i'm liable to still remember watching said show and not liking it

there are shows i don't like that i'll end up finishing
(http://puu.sh/r9ThZ/4e6d607330.jpg)
if for no other reason than what just feels like an obligation

but if for some reason something tries my patience to where i don't want it to waste my time anymore, then why even bother putting them in the same pool as shows i felt deserved better than what i gave them? what's going to make me come back to a series like that regardless of whichever pool i drop it in?
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 13, 2016 08:39 PM
I dunno look at what OP said about Michiko to Hatchin for example.

MAL users hand out 10's like candy so he's not wrong but seriously why does anyone give a shit what this greasy weeb thinks? at the end of the day he's just another pretentious MAL user. what the fuck has this guy created besides lengthy diatribes about anime he hates?
Lengthy appraisals about anime he likes I guess. I think he's an okay critic. Not everyone who enjoys art is blessed with creative blood, or at least the drive to create what they envision, hence criticism.

Have a scene from a bad movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d5KovCbU8w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d5KovCbU8w)
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 14, 2016 12:46 AM
i guess i just don't see anything in him because literally anyone can be a critic. at least he acknowledges that taste is subjective and he doesn't scream into the mic.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 14, 2016 08:01 AM
Of course anyone can be a critic, but some people are better at it than others, just like art and other things of actual value. I mean there's a reason the Plinkett reviews are always more entertaining than the actual movies and why most of us prefer them over Nostalgia Critic or whoever.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 14, 2016 02:32 PM
yes but critics like RLM are better at being critics because they actually understand filmmaking from the perspective of filmmakers. any jackass can splice up some footage of something and talk about why they think it's total shit or the best thing ever, and they might be more convincing than others through oration, but do they actually know what the fuck they are talking about? there are certainly identifiers non-creators can use to determine whether something is good or bad, but there's only so much you can know just from observation and study alone - in the same way that all the knowledge about film in the world doesn't guarantee you could make a good movie. application is what develops the "artist's eye".
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: mealguien on September 14, 2016 07:50 PM
TBA: we'll use your intro thread to discuss anime.

tho i agree with rtil
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: TikoTron on September 14, 2016 07:58 PM
TBA: we'll use your intro thread to discuss anime.

tho i agree with rtil
Ikr lmao

What did I start?
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 14, 2016 08:11 PM
this thread is hijacked by the kawaii police

(http://thebackalleys.com/ok/siren.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/zvd256I.png)(http://thebackalleys.com/ok/siren.gif)

you got a problem with that?
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 14, 2016 08:33 PM
Thanks as always for the contribution meal.

yes but critics like RLM are better at being critics because they actually understand filmmaking from the perspective of filmmakers. any jackass can splice up some footage of something and talk about why they think it's total shit or the best thing ever, and they might be more convincing than others through oration, but do they actually know what the fuck they are talking about? there are certainly identifiers non-creators can use to determine whether something is good or bad, but there's only so much you can know just from observation and study alone - in the same way that all the knowledge about film in the world doesn't guarantee you could make a good movie. application is what develops the "artist's eye".
Well I guess we differ in that I think all one needs is an understanding of, and appreciation for, storytelling in order to critique a storytelling medium, which most anime is, typically emphasizing that aspect over animation for animation's sake. Most of the criticism I remember from the Plinkett reviews was directed at the SW prequel's writing.

Sure you need to have practiced painting in order to really give applicable criticism to another painter, likewise with poetry, music, video game programming and animation, but the great thing about storytelling is that you don't have to be seasoned at spinning yarns to know what you like and why, because everyone is hardwired for fiction.

The axiom "taste is subjective" I don't take to mean "shut up the masters are at work." Typically with criticism the cream floats to the top, unless its English anime reviews, in which case its 95% shit with the remaining 5% being slightly less shit, which is the category I'd put Digi in with a select few others. If you said he probably gets too much money for doing it, yeah I'd agree with you, but I don't think his brand of criticism is entirely useless even if its not very academic.

The biggest problem with criticism circa current year 2016 I'd say isn't pretentious basement dwellers talking about anime, but aggregate sites a la RottenTomatoes and Metacritic giving people choice-supportive and confirmation biases. Movies are in a really bad way and those sites aren't helping.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: rtil on September 14, 2016 08:49 PM
i never said anything about people not being entitled to their opinions. by all means people have every right to be a critic regardless of whether or not they're any good at it. it's not like you have to get a certification to make a youtube video or start a blog. but storytelling as a visual medium has more layers than just the script. yes, if the script is bad, there's not much you can do to change that - but bad animation direction can also ruin a good script. and your actors are your drawings, so all the burdens of a filmmaker are even more pressing for an animated series, because you can only rely on the artist's skill to portray good acting instead of being able to hire and direct someone else to do it.

my point was simply that you can only understand and appreciate something so much without never having  gone through the creative process of what it truly means to create it. like, you know what food tastes good to you, and you can appreciate and understand the work that goes into making it, but can you really be so bold to say you understand that on the same level as the chef?

so, to me, guy-on-the-internet who makes youtube videos and watches anime for a living's words have less weight than an accomplished animator/screenwriter/director etc.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 14, 2016 09:13 PM
Well then I completely agree with you. I wish more accomplished animators, screenwriters and directors dabbled in written criticism of their media for mass market consumption, although it would most likely appear uncouth, and so alas, must occur behind closed doors, between real artists (or on twitter between celebrities, or on tracks between rappers). Unfortunately the next best thing we have are people who listen to music or watch movies or masturbate to anime for a living.

It's inarguable that this doesn't necessarily translate to success in said medium. I mean look at Ebert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_THMtUTSe8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_THMtUTSe8Q)

vs. the French New Wave guys who all started out as critics and then made Cowboy Bebop and Blade Runner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVvhJrrgfs0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVvhJrrgfs0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzaATgGHmy0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzaATgGHmy0)
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: ExBerian on September 14, 2016 09:13 PM
Hello there!
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 14, 2016 09:43 PM
Yes welcome.

(http://www.thebackalleys.com/dump/files/1530/914K5x_1458153253714.png)

The committee approves your new signature.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: mealguien on September 14, 2016 09:44 PM
The biggest problem with criticism circa current year 2016 I'd say isn't pretentious basement dwellers talking about anime, but aggregate sites a la RottenTomatoes and Metacritic giving people choice-supportive and confirmation biases. Movies are in a really bad way and those sites aren't helping.
I actually completely agree with this. It's especially bad when it comes to movies from franchises that have a huge contemporary following (DC and Marvel, for example) when people seem to kind of mindlessly agree with the overall opinion without really trying to understand for themselves what makes them work or not. And also because I feel that you might not be exposed to a lot of things you might enjoy when you just go along with what the peoples say they liked.

Also apologies if my post came across as too "jokey" during the convo. I just felt it was kinda weird that you guys were going into such a level of discussion about anime criticism on somebody's intro thread.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 14, 2016 10:12 PM
Exactly, and in my opinion any somewhat thoughtful consumption of media, even Digi's arguably hackneyed brand of analysis, is a means of combating this complacency, and so a net good.

And what better way to welcome someone to TBA.
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: SrsSam77 on September 18, 2016 12:47 AM
Holy fucking mother of thread derails batman

derails always bring about better conversation than dedicated threads for some reason...
Title: Re: Hi there
Post by: Bamyasi on September 18, 2016 09:18 PM
Yeah I'm always confused when people are surprised/perturbed that conversations through ASCII evolve exactly like conversations through speech and then derail my conversation by voicing this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4z3xv2l9_k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4z3xv2l9_k)